I got an e-mail from ImpeachBush.org today. They made the points that we’ve all been making. What do you think folks? Do you think enough of us are mad enough to give it a go?
Personally, I’m all for another march on Washington . . . during the inauguration. Now wouldn’t that be the hotness?! All us crazy left wingers there to protest! I think we may have something here! Spread the word!!
Webbah said:
See how conservative views always boil down to money.
I’m willing to pay a little more for….Because it’s the “right thing to do”…. A basic fundamental, traditional value….bla bla bla Bull shit!
First of all the idea of a minimum wage is not a traditional value, it’s a socialist value. Put your money where your mouth is and pay a lot more so the minimum wage can be raised. If that was the case, I bet you would be doing some back peddling on the issue. Do you know why? Because when liberals find themselves having to pay for their ideas, then the money becomes considerably more important. Minimum wage is not a level of employment that is meant to be a permanent stage and it’s not meant to support a family. It’s an entry level so a person can develop some skills and move on up. If people stay at that economic point but choose to increase their family size then they might be just stupid and should not be rewarded by the rest of us paying more for goods and services. Harsh you say? Maybe so but if all of us understood this principle, there would be a lot less poverty.
I have to say I agree with joeypier’s last comment. If there is any one issue that I would call my own it is education. While I spend a lot of time on here expressing my viewpoints, in real life I am much more inclined to inspire anyone who will listen to education. I think that funding for college is somehow tragically America’s best kept secret right now.
The truth is, if you are working for minimum wage right now, you INVARIABLY qualify for full college funding in the form of the Pell grant that completely covers in-state tuition AND books, and also have the opportunity to accept NEED-BASED loans up to the amount of Cost of Education which includes living expenses. Those have to be paid back STARTING in 10 years, but it is extremely low interest and the government pays it that whole time.
Democrats need to understand that these are the reasons why we are the way we are. We really are OPTIMISTIC about the people, and not the government. If everyone took advantage of the system that is already in place for the purposes of bettering themselves rather than soaking the system, we wouldn’t even be having this debate.
There is a place for everyone in America… just look at Borack Obama, he KNEW how to use the system to better himself and proves that it has been in place for quite some time and that racism is not the larger force of failure for minorities, and access to education is not the larger force for poor whites.
YOU ARE ALL A BUNCH OF PINKO COMMUNIST, UNAMERICAN, UNPATRIOTIC, MIS-GUIDED, UNINFORMED, IGNORANT, AND VERY DISRESPECTFUL DUDS. IF YOU HATE AMERICA SO MUCH LEAVE. IT IS SO MUCH BETTER IN CANADA, EUROPE, SOUTH AMERICA, ASIA, THE MIDDLE EAST (DEFINATELY) OR AFRICA (ANOTHER WONDERFUL PLACE). SHUT UP AND LEAVE WE WHO ARE PATRIOTIC AND AMERICAN DON’T WANT YOU HERE. MAYBE YOU SHOULD ASK US WHO HAVE SERVED, AND KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IS GOING ON INSTEAD OF LISTENING TO CNN AND ALL THE OTHER LIARS ON MAINSTREAM MEDIA. YOU PEOPLE WHO THINK YOU KNOW THE TRUTH ARE BLIND AND GUZZLE COOL AIDE LIKE WATER. I SLEEP PEACEFUL KNOWING THAT WE HAVE A PRESIDENT THAT ACTUALLY GIVES A DAMN. KERRY, A WEAK AND UNQUALIFIED LEADER DESERVED WHAT HE GOT. HE WOULD HAVE CAUSED MORE DEATH THAN WHAT HAS ALREADY HAPPENED. YOU PEOPLE WHO HAVE NEVER BEEN TO AFGHANISTAN OR IRAQ DON’T HAVE A CLUE SO YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO DISCUSS SOMETHING THAT YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT. THIS WAR IS ABOUT FREEDOM, SOMETHING YOU ALL HAVE FORGOTTEN. I HAVE SERVED IN BOTH FRONTS, I HAVE LOST MEN, BUT WE ALL FOUGHT FOR FREEDOM AND CHOSE TO DO SO NO MATTER WHAT THE COST. I WOULD DO IT ALL OVER AGAIN. DON’T TELL ME YOU SUPPORT THE TROOPS BUT NOT BUSH IT IS A CONTRADICTION OF WORDS AND I AND MANY OF MY MEN DON’T RECOGNIZE YOUR SUPPPORT. US SOLDIERS SEE ALL OF YOU AS BEING A MIRROR OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT CALLED THE VIETNAM VETERANS BABY KILLERS AND SPIT ON THEM. THAT IS WHAT YOU ALL REPRESENT TO US. WE ARE NOT BRAIN-WASHED EITHER. WE ALL VOLUNTEERED TO FIGHT MORE THAN WHAT YOU SNIVELING CRY BABIES HAVE DONE. ALL I HAVE TO SAY IS FIND OUT THE FACTS OR LEAVE AMERICA WE DON’T WANT YOU.
At 7:55 AM, RangerDrew72 said…
some really dumb things. I beleive this country was founded on the people questioning the government & not accepting everything they say as truth like sheep. If you feel you are there for freedom, good for you.
Calling people who disagree with you pinkos or whatever is your childish way of dealing with your doubt.
Rangerdrew…..all of us are what????? Dude… read the post before making broad stroke statements like that. Yelling about your contributions doesn’t mean much to the listener and does nothing to educate the lost and confused left. I understand your anger but it does nothing to dislodge the misinformed. These folks think that they are well informed because they read the L.A., N.Y. times and watch CNN! You should be presenting mind changing ideas and planting seeds of reason. For example…when a lefty says, “Iraq is all about oil” counter with, “don’t you think we could have bought the oil a whole lot cheaper” or with the case of Halliburton contracts, counter with “And what company would you suggest could handle the job? You’ll get no answer because lefties have no solutions, just endless fabricated criticism. Listen to your lefty friends and relatives and explore what they say. Ask questions. Often, you can find holes even with subjects you know nothing about! You might be amazed how many times you will hear them say, “You know, that’s a good point” or “I never thought of that!” We don’t have to convince them on the spot to be sucessful. Just plant the seeds. It’s far more rewarding than venting on them. These people will love you for liberating them from the bonds of a self defeating attitude. Last thing. You might want to turn off the cap lock key, it’s seen as yelling!
At 9:25 AM, JoeyPier said…
For example…when a lefty says, “Iraq is all about oil” counter with, “don’t you think we could have bought the oil a whole lot cheaper”
I REALLY need your help explaining this to me.
At 9:25 AM, JoeyPier said…
For example…when a lefty says, “Iraq is all about oil” counter with, “don’t you think we could have bought the oil a whole lot cheaper”
“According to the Oil and Gas Journal,
Iraq contains 115 billion barrels of
proven oil reserves, the third largest in
the world (behind Saudi Arabia and
Canada).”
DOE 03/04
That speaks for itself & I didnt need to read from the NY Times.
At 9:25 AM, JoeyPier said…
or with the case of Halliburton contracts, counter with “And what company would you suggest could handle the job?
“In early January 2004, the U.S. military
announced that it was taking over fuel
distribution in Iraq from Halliburton, after
the U.S. government accused the
company of overcharging for fuel
deliveries by $61 million. Within Iraq,
gasoline is generally sold for just 5-15
cents per gallon, while Halliburton
reportedly was being paid $2.64 per
gallon to import gasoline from Kuwait.”
(DOE 03/04)
hmmm, how about an honest one.
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Stevesnotbloger said in response to me saying “We could have bought the oil cheaper than invading Iraq”
Steve says Iraq has 115 billion barrels of oil. I’m assuming he means that by multiplying 115,000,000,000 X $50.00 proves that our true motivation is to get the oil. . Let me explain. Steve’s statement is comparing the total value of all the oil in Iraq today vs. the total cost of the current war up until now. It’s true, the oil is worth more than what we have spent so far however, What Steve doesn’t say is that it would take the U.S. 30 years to consume all of the Iraqi oil! if and I say if….. we got all our oil from Iraq.Total US daily oil use is 10.5 million barrels and of that, we were only getting 5% from Iraq. What would it cost to maintain control over Iraq for 30 years? It would be far to expensive in dollars and ways that we can’t imagine.
No logical person could conclude that our leaders would go to war for such a stupid scenario as this. Besides, we don’t have a history of stealing assets from other countries. We buy them. ( Oh…. that will boil the liberal blood! I can hear it now…..what about Mexico and what about the Indians) We want other countries to prosper and engage in commerce with the U.S. and other countries because it makes for a more stable earth. Try to think things through a little better.
This discussion really upsets me, because I would be in complete SUPPORT of taking the oil in damages, yet Bush refuses to touch it, it’s one of the problems I HAVE with him! And when Kerry says that this war should have cost a billion dollars, this is EXACTLY what he means! That we should have taken the appropriate amount of oil in damages. Why won’t anyone understand this? If you believe that was what it was all about, I’m afraid you never had a horse in this race to begin with, or really anyone even in the Senate for that matter. Michael Moore is NOT a democrat! You guys need to dump him or call your new faction something else!
You are missing my point Joey. Irag being the 3rd largest producer of oil is very attractive to many interests here in the US & the world(Russia & France had of course big stakes in Irag prior to the war, hence they DID NOT want to go to war). Look at the other two countries on the list. Both are our allies. The 3rd(Irag) WAS run by a dictator who wasn’t playing nice. Get rid of the dictator & we now have a clear path for OUR interests to get a foothold in Iraq.
Fuzzy math skills aside, consider how we got a foothold in the region & you will come to understand why we are disliked so much.
Clevercynic…. I was for having the war paid for from Iraqi oil also. Made perfect sense to me however, President Bush wanted to stop the critics from saying we went there for the oil but the dumb asses are saying it anyhow!
Steve, the national economy is 2nd at the top of the list of “The National Interest” and even the democrats agree that military action is sanctioned with respect to it.
It’s not like you’re completely off the wall, certainly Saddam’s biggest mistake was being an A-hole IN a valuable place that is annexed to every place we may need to be if this terrorism thing gets very rowdy. Give Bush some damn credit for strategy, he’s charged with leading this country after all, and at the end of the day, whatever I wish to cry about, I completely expect my LEADER to look out for MY interest as we entrust them to do.
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Stevesnotbloger said “Fuzzy math skills aside”
My fuzzy math or yours? If your talking about mine, show me where I’m wrong. Frankly, all you said was that Iraq has 115 billion barrels of oil. That’s a fact but it’s a huge stretch of the imagination to go from there to “we are in Iraq for the oil”
President Bush purposefully made a point to have you and I pay for this war just to prove the point that this is not about oil.
Also, I don’t care if we are liked or not. Just doesn’t matter. They all will still buy our goods and we will buy theirs. OOps.. seems that we’re not buying French goods to the tune of 1 billion dollars this year. Maybe they better decide to like us more!
Its more the 3rd largest producer of oil Joey.
If you cant connect the dots I’m afraid you might be too asinine to “discuss” this further.
At 3:27 PM, stevesnotblogger said…
If you cant connect the dots I’m afraid you might be too asinine to “discuss” this further.
Ladies and Gentlemen,
As you can see a liberal has once again proven me correct! I have taught those who know me that a liberal, when confronted with facts and truth, will always, and without fail, resort to personal attacks rather than exercising rational thinking. Test this out with the liberals in your life.
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Ah joey,
look up at the top of the page when you said
“Liberalism is soooooo shallow. It’s just easy to accept everything and stand for nothing.”
It seems very easy for you to lump everyone into either left or right. I guess that makes it easy for you not to think about something that might not be black or white. It’s ok. You can call me liberal thats fine. You might be surprised that my views transend “labels”.
You can look at an issue and spin it whatever way you want. I am not here to change your view. It is important for people to understand how this country was formed & what it means to be patriotic. It is ok to questions the goverment. It is ok to seek the truth & not have it spoon fed to you. (can we not agree with this??)
(as far as the first post)
People will protest the inauguration. People will protest the protesters. Life will go on & we dont need to agree on anything. I beleive it is a good thing that politics can strike a chord in people who might seem rational other wise.
We categorize everything, from planets to bacteria. It’s just a method by which we make knowledge more manageable and establish relationships. While applying a label to one person may have flaws, the labels themselves have meaning and point to a variety of predictable viewpoints. That there is one or two things you may not be sold on just makes you a Liberal with some caveats, as I am a conservative with caveats as well, but clearly a conservative overall.
In either case, Liberals have more to gain by shedding the label, and that should be revisited as to why by the next election for the purposes of your strategy. Socialists have their own party which appears to have no support at all because most of them shoe-horn themselves into the democratic party, which I don’t believe was originally liberal at all, the image has only been overtaken by them. Michael Moore is NOT a democrat, they just thought he might be useful in affecting the common image of the sitting president and erred by not denouncing his tactics.
Well, Gentlemen, don’t blame me for what I am about to say. You drove me to it. I am new at this blogging business, but I’m giving it a try.
First off, in referance to the Screaming of RagerDrew72, I do not believe you are, or were, fighting in Iraq for Patriotic reasons. It appears to me you went there because you like that sort of thing. Well, don’t feel too bad about that. Humans have a slight kink in the brain department that causes them to fight often, and sometimes well. But screaming at us Liberals doesn’t get the job done. And I’d appreciate it if you would stop calling me names like Pinko-Communist and al that sort of rot. I can assure you I am as patriotic as anyone you know, and I am not about to leave this country to you right wing Oil merchants.
We’re not fighting it for patriotic reasons. We’re fighting it for humanitarian reasons, and are only patriotic about it (slightly most of us). Originally it was for self-defense and humanitarian reasons, but we’re fine with what’s left. Humanitarian not only for short term stopping of torture and oppression, but to ease the middle east into equal participation in the future economy based on free-trade… its going to be quite the shit-storm when that oil runs out and they have nothing else to survive on.
In my opinion – you wanted to impeach a man who lied about a blow job. There’s a man in office who lied about WMD’s – no one died as a result of a little white lie regarding a blow job…
who should be impeached again?
Honey, we DID impeach Clinton. He purgured himself and while the original offense is debateable, you wouldn’t want to think they were above the law of OUR land. Bush may have been wrong but he didnt’ LIE anymore than Socrates lied about a Flat Earth. You can’t lie just by saying “yeah that’s what we got too”.
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“Do you think enough of us are mad enough to give it a go?” That’s a suspiciously European way of expression. Perhaps that’s why your comments seemed out of place to me. You obviously don’t know much about the Republic that we live in here in America.