Comments on: Planet of the agapes http://www.popandpolitics.com/2007/07/23/planet-of-the-agapes/ Thu, 11 Feb 2010 21:50:32 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Drew Crawford http://www.popandpolitics.com/2007/07/23/planet-of-the-agapes/comment-page-1/#comment-5694 Drew Crawford Fri, 09 Nov 2007 04:32:08 +0000 http://www.popandpolitics.com/2007/07/23/planet-of-the-agapes/#comment-5694 LDS church believes in christ That is exactally why the churches offical name is as follow THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS humm......??? any questions? the church of Jesus Christ that dosent believe in christ how ironic? i think not.. dont be so afriad look into what they believe and see for you self. look for the truth and the truth will set you free!! gain your own opinion.. not others LDS church believes in christ
That is exactally why the churches offical name is as follow

THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS

humm……???

any questions?

the church of Jesus Christ that dosent believe in christ how ironic?

i think not..

dont be so afriad look into what they believe and see for you self.

look for the truth and the truth will set you free!!

gain your own opinion.. not others

]]> By: Bot http://www.popandpolitics.com/2007/07/23/planet-of-the-agapes/comment-page-1/#comment-5284 Bot Wed, 25 Jul 2007 04:42:36 +0000 http://www.popandpolitics.com/2007/07/23/planet-of-the-agapes/#comment-5284 The Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) is often accused of not believing in Christ and, therefore, not being a Christian religion . . This post helps to clarify such misconceptions • Baptism: . Early Christian churches, practiced baptism of youth (not infants) by immersion by the father of the family. The local congregation had a lay ministry. An early Christian Church has been re-constructed at the Israel Museum, and the above can be verified. http://www.imj.org.il/eng/exhibitions/2000/christianity/ancientchurch/structure/index.html The Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) continues baptism and a lay ministry as taught by Jesus’ Apostles. . Early Christians were persecuted for keeping their practices sacred, and not allowing non-Christians to witness them • The Trinity: . A literal reading of the New Testament points to God and Jesus Christ , His Son , being separate , divine beings , united in purpose. . To whom was Jesus praying in Gethsemane, and Who was speaking to Him and his apostles on the Mount of Transfiguration? The Nicene Creed”s definition of the Trinity was influenced by scribes translating the Greek manuscripts into Latin. . The scribes embellished on a passage explaining the Trinity , which is the Catholic and Protestant belief that God is Father, Son and Holy Spirit. . The oldest versions of the epistle of 1 John, read: "There are three that bear witness: the Spirit, the water and the blood and these three are one." Scribes later added "the Father, the Word and the Spirit," and it remained in the epistle when it was translated into English for the King James Version, according to Dr. Bart Ehrman, Chairman of the Religion Department at UNC- Chapel Hill. . . .He no longer believes in the Nicene Trinity. . Scholars agree that Early Christians believed in an embodied God; it was neo-Platonist influences that later turned Him into a disembodied Spirit. . Divinization, narrowing the space between God and humans, was also part of Early Christian belief. . The Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) views the Trinity as three separate divine beings , in accord with the earliest Greek New Testament manuscripts. • The Deity of Jesus Christ Mormons hold firmly to the deity of Christ. For members of the Church of Jesus Christ (LDS), Jesus is not only the Son of God but also God the Son. Evangelical pollster George Barna found in 2001 that while only 33 percent of American Catholics, Lutherans, and Methodists (28 percent of Episcopalians) agreed that Jesus was “without sin”, 70 percent of Mormons believe Jesus was sinless. http://www.adherents.com/misc/BarnaPoll.html • The Cross and Christ’s Atonement: . The Cross became popular as a Christian symbol in the Fifth Century A.D. . Members of the Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) believe the proper Christian symbol is Christ’s resurrection , not his crucifixion on the Cross. Many Mormon chapels feature paintings of the resurrected Christ or His Second Coming. Furthermore, members of the church believe the major part of Christ’s atonement occurred in the Garden of Gethsemane as Christ took upon him the sins of all mankind. • Definition of “Christian”: . But Mormons don”t term Catholics and Protestants “non-Christian”. . They believe Christ’s atonement applies to all mankind. . The dictionary definition of a Christian is “of, pertaining to, believing in, or belonging to a religion based on the teachings of Jesus Christ”: . All of the above denominations are followers of Christ, and consider him divine, and the Messiah foretold in the Old Testament. They all worship the one and only true God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and address Him in prayer as prescribed in The Lord’s Prayer. It”s important to understand the difference between Reformation and Restoration when we consider who might be authentic Christians. If members of the Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) embrace early Christian theology , they are likely more “Christian” than their detractors. * * * • Christ-Like Lives: The 2005 National Study of Youth and Religion published by UNC-Chapel Hill found that Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) youth (ages 13 to 17) were more likely to exhibit these Christian characteristics than Evangelicals (the next most observant group): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . LDS . . . Evangelical Attend Religious Services weekly . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 71% . . . . 55% Importance of Religious Faith in shaping daily life – . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . extremely important .. 52. . . . . . . 28 Believes in life after death . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 76 . . . . . . 62 Believes in psychics or fortune-tellers . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0 . . . . . . 5 Has taught religious education classes . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 42 . . . . . . 28 Has fasted or denied something as spiritual discipline . . . . . . . . . . . 68 . . . . . . 22 Sabbath Observance . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 67 . . . . . . 40 Shared religious faith with someone not of their faith . . . . . . . . . . . . 72 . . . . . . 56 Family talks about God, scriptures, prayer daily . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 50 . . . . . . 19 Supportiveness of church for parent in trying to raise teen (very supportive) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .65 . . . . . . 26 Church congregation has done an excellent job in helping Teens better understand their own sexuality and sexual morality . . . . 84 . . . . . . 35 The Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) is often accused of not believing in Christ and, therefore, not being a Christian religion . . This post helps to clarify such misconceptions

• Baptism: .

Early Christian churches, practiced baptism of youth (not infants) by immersion by the father of the family. The local congregation had a lay ministry. An early Christian Church has been re-constructed at the Israel Museum, and the above can be verified. http://www.imj.org.il/eng/exhibitions/2000/christianity/ancientchurch/structure/index.html
The Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) continues baptism and a lay ministry as taught by Jesus’ Apostles. . Early Christians were persecuted for keeping their practices sacred, and not allowing non-Christians to witness them

• The Trinity: .

A literal reading of the New Testament points to God and Jesus Christ , His Son , being separate , divine beings , united in purpose. . To whom was Jesus praying in Gethsemane, and Who was speaking to Him and his apostles on the Mount of Transfiguration?

The Nicene Creed”s definition of the Trinity was influenced by scribes translating the Greek manuscripts into Latin. . The scribes embellished on a passage explaining the Trinity , which is the Catholic and Protestant belief that God is Father, Son and Holy Spirit. . The oldest versions of the epistle of 1 John, read: “There are three that bear witness: the Spirit, the water and the blood and these three are one.”

Scribes later added “the Father, the Word and the Spirit,” and it remained in the epistle when it was translated into English for the King James Version, according to Dr. Bart Ehrman, Chairman of the Religion Department at UNC- Chapel Hill. . . .He no longer believes in the Nicene Trinity. .

Scholars agree that Early Christians believed in an embodied God; it was neo-Platonist influences that later turned Him into a disembodied Spirit. . Divinization, narrowing the space between God and humans, was also part of Early Christian belief. . The Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) views the Trinity as three separate divine beings , in accord with the earliest Greek New Testament manuscripts.

• The Deity of Jesus Christ

Mormons hold firmly to the deity of Christ. For members of the Church of Jesus Christ (LDS), Jesus is not only the Son of God but also God the Son. Evangelical pollster George Barna found in 2001 that while only 33 percent of American Catholics, Lutherans, and Methodists (28 percent of Episcopalians) agreed that Jesus was “without sin”, 70 percent of Mormons believe Jesus was sinless. http://www.adherents.com/misc/BarnaPoll.html

• The Cross and Christ’s Atonement: .

The Cross became popular as a Christian symbol in the Fifth Century A.D. . Members of the Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) believe the proper Christian symbol is Christ’s resurrection , not his crucifixion on the Cross. Many Mormon chapels feature paintings of the resurrected Christ or His Second Coming. Furthermore, members of the church believe the major part of Christ’s atonement occurred in the Garden of Gethsemane as Christ took upon him the sins of all mankind.

• Definition of “Christian”: .

But Mormons don”t term Catholics and Protestants “non-Christian”. . They believe Christ’s atonement applies to all mankind. . The dictionary definition of a Christian is “of, pertaining to, believing in, or belonging to a religion based on the teachings of Jesus Christ”: . All of the above denominations are followers of Christ, and consider him divine, and the Messiah foretold in the Old Testament. They all worship the one and only true God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and address Him in prayer as prescribed in The Lord’s Prayer.

It”s important to understand the difference between Reformation and Restoration when we consider who might be authentic Christians. If members of the Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) embrace early Christian theology , they are likely more “Christian” than their detractors.

* * *
• Christ-Like Lives:

The 2005 National Study of Youth and Religion published by UNC-Chapel Hill found that Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) youth (ages 13 to 17) were more likely to exhibit these Christian characteristics than Evangelicals (the next most observant group):

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . LDS . . . Evangelical

Attend Religious Services weekly . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 71% . . . . 55%

Importance of Religious Faith in shaping daily life –

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . extremely important .. 52. . . . . . . 28

Believes in life after death . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 76 . . . . . . 62

Believes in psychics or fortune-tellers . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0 . . . . . . 5

Has taught religious education classes . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 42 . . . . . . 28

Has fasted or denied something as spiritual discipline . . . . . . . . . . . 68 . . . . . . 22

Sabbath Observance . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 67 . . . . . . 40

Shared religious faith with someone not of their faith . . . . . . . . . . . . 72 . . . . . . 56

Family talks about God, scriptures, prayer daily . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 50 . . . . . . 19

Supportiveness of church for parent in trying to raise teen

(very supportive) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .65 . . . . . . 26

Church congregation has done an excellent job in helping

Teens better understand their own sexuality and sexual morality . . . . 84 . . . . . . 35

]]> By: john tomasic http://www.popandpolitics.com/2007/07/23/planet-of-the-agapes/comment-page-1/#comment-5283 john tomasic Tue, 24 Jul 2007 19:22:25 +0000 http://www.popandpolitics.com/2007/07/23/planet-of-the-agapes/#comment-5283 Amen to that, cv! Amen to that, cv!

]]> By: CarlosVasquez http://www.popandpolitics.com/2007/07/23/planet-of-the-agapes/comment-page-1/#comment-5282 CarlosVasquez Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:59:36 +0000 http://www.popandpolitics.com/2007/07/23/planet-of-the-agapes/#comment-5282 I can see her point about giving youth a cause that is bigger than themselves for which to work. Humans, evolved as social creatures, are hardwired to have pleasant feelings when doing good for the group. For most in the western world, the immediate needs of the individual (food, shelter, reproduction) are a given, so the secondary urges to help the group will come to the fore. These tendencies can be put to good use by secular programs (perhaps run by the government like the Peace Corps) that actually do contribute to society, instead of poisoning it as religion does, while also satisfying that deep need in many to contribute to a group. I don’t think we should underestimate this need in humans to belong to and help a group. We are very tribal creatures, and much more primitive than we like to admit to ourselves. In addition to your suggestions about teaching humanism, we must fight to make sure that public dollars are not spent to brainwash our children with the pseudo-science claptrap of intelligent design and other crazy rantings. These are not theories, but beliefs, and as such have no place in the curricula of public schools – except to the extent that their faulty ideas are exposed as rubbish in courses on logic and philosophy. As a last comment, I feel compelled to express my dismay in the results of the survey that you mentioned. It astounds me that in this age in our country, with all we know from science, that so many believe in the nonsense that is religion – and even many of those who do not believe pay respect to these crazy ideas as if they have a shred of validity. I can understand tolerating it (that is, putting up with it as you would a disturbed man who thought he was Napoleon) but to respect it? This is madness! I can see her point about giving youth a cause that is bigger than themselves for which to work. Humans, evolved as social creatures, are hardwired to have pleasant feelings when doing good for the group. For most in the western world, the immediate needs of the individual (food, shelter, reproduction) are a given, so the secondary urges to help the group will come to the fore. These tendencies can be put to good use by secular programs (perhaps run by the government like the Peace Corps) that actually do contribute to society, instead of poisoning it as religion does, while also satisfying that deep need in many to contribute to a group. I don’t think we should underestimate this need in humans to belong to and help a group. We are very tribal creatures, and much more primitive than we like to admit to ourselves.

In addition to your suggestions about teaching humanism, we must fight to make sure that public dollars are not spent to brainwash our children with the pseudo-science claptrap of intelligent design and other crazy rantings. These are not theories, but beliefs, and as such have no place in the curricula of public schools – except to the extent that their faulty ideas are exposed as rubbish in courses on logic and philosophy.

As a last comment, I feel compelled to express my dismay in the results of the survey that you mentioned. It astounds me that in this age in our country, with all we know from science, that so many believe in the nonsense that is religion – and even many of those who do not believe pay respect to these crazy ideas as if they have a shred of validity. I can understand tolerating it (that is, putting up with it as you would a disturbed man who thought he was Napoleon) but to respect it? This is madness!

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